Sexy Bellybutton Feeling
9/11/15 - We discuss hrod17’s email dump, Taylor’s colonial fantasy, big sisters and little sisters, and menstruation-loving cultures. Plus! Sexy bellybutton times.
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CREDITS
Producer: Gina Delvac
Hosts: Aminatou Sow & Ann Friedman
Theme song: Call Your Girlfriend by Robyn
TRANSCRIPT: SEXY BELLYBUTTON FEELING
Ann: Welcome to Call Your Girlfriend!
Aminatou: A podcast for long-distance besties everywhere.
Ann: I'm Ann Friedman.
Aminatou: And I'm Aminatou Sow.
Ann: And it's so hot. [Laughs]
Aminatou: You know, it's not here today so sorry.
Ann: I'm in my underwear. I'm so hot right now.
Aminatou: [Laughs]
Ann: L.A. fall is the true summertime weather.
Aminatou: Do you have air conditioning?
Ann: I do but it doesn't matter. I mean in my closet packed in with friends and . . . yeah.
Aminatou: No, I was mostly worried for you personally. [Laughs]
Ann: Oh my god, no. And in fact I wasn't home yesterday and I wasn't home earlier today. I was going to send like a PSA email to all of my non-AC friends and just say you can come literally chill at my house.
Aminatou: Wow, heat wave moves. It's getting real out there.
Ann: I know. It is so real.
Aminatou: It's like come over for a lemonade, get some AC, then go back to your non-AC place. Good luck.
Ann: I mean or never leave. I have a really nice air mattress.
Aminatou: [Laughs] This is what I keep hearing.
Ann: I'm just saying if I received an emergency text from a friend without AC I would immediately say come stay here.
Aminatou: I know. The black people are also hot. It is hot. It's hot.
Ann: Yes. Okay, talking about the weather is boring.
Aminatou: Not to me.
Ann: I am -- I apologize. [Laughs]
Aminatou: I'm like the only person who enjoys talking about the weather.
[Theme Song]
(1:55)
Aminatou: Well what's in the news? What are we talking about?
Ann: Oh my god, our girl Hillary, or should I say hrod17@clintonmail.com.
Aminatou: [Laughs] HRod17. Great.
Ann: RIP the Rodham. I'm so sad that she's just Hillary Clinton for most purposes these days.
Aminatou: Ugh, well, you know, that sucks. Yeah, our girl in this email scandal that won't go away.
Ann: Which I mean in some ways fair enough. The voyeuristic pleasure of searching through a public person's email, even if it's not the complete archive, is fantastic. No wonder it hasn't gone away.
Aminatou: Yeah, no. I have appreciated peering into her email but also I can't help but think unforced error. Why is this so . . . it's so unnecessary and also very humiliating for people to read your correspondence. Even when it's banal it's still I hope to never be in that position. Shout out Amy Pascal. Shout out Hillary Clinton. [Laughs]
Ann: But don't you agree with friend-of-the-podcast Rebecca Traister who said the overall effect of these emails is to humanize her and probably make her more likable?
Aminatou: Oh yeah. I think this is the best PR she's gotten in a long time but I also think the media is making a bigger deal about this email thing. And to be perfectly honest she really hasn't addressed why she had a personal email server at all. [Laughs] It's not like -- yeah, she had somebody install her own server at her house.
Ann: Yeah, that's not like a "Whoops, I made a casual mistake." That's like a deliberate . . .
Aminatou: Yeah. Because people don't trust the Clintons it seems nefarious no matter what, you know?
Ann: Well it's one of those things I'm sure when you have been the target of so many trumped-up, not real scandals that you're on high alert against being caught in another one. And her paranoia clearly created the next scandal for herself.
(3:55)
Aminatou: I know. But revelations that we have enjoyed, Hillary watches The Good Wife. Great. Her relationship with Huma and Cheryl Mills is the best.
Ann: She drinks unhealthy beverages, I think meaning alcoholic/adult beverages, with Senator Barbara Mikulski. Props.
Aminatou: I know. I know, but it could also just be like she's drinking tea with whole milk. [Laughs]
Ann: Or they're going to Johnny Rockets for a milkshake.
Aminatou: I love it. She gives such good email. The other revelation of this email dump is that Chelsea gives the best email.
Ann: Oh my god, the massive memo about how the Clinton Foundation is doing everything wrong in Haiti?
Aminatou: Ugh, I'm so . . . Chelsea's due for a comeback soon. I can feel it in my bones. I will work towards this after her mom is in office. We can talk. Chelsea, we're going to make you an Internet star.
Ann: I have a lot of feels about Chelsea because I remember being an awkward preteen when Chelsea was an awkward preteen and seeing photos of her in the White House and just being so grateful that I was not photographed routinely in the way that she was. I want her to relent to an interview and actually talk about herself so she can have her moment.
Aminatou: Yeah, and her moment is coming. She's writing these books for eighth graders about how to be good people. She's a new mom. You know, it's there. All of the ingredients are there. It's just timing. Can't wait.
Ann: How is new mom an ingredient? I guess because . . .
Aminatou: Ann, I don't know how to tell you this: nobody works harder than new moms. Fact.
Ann: People work harder than rich new moms.
Aminatou: Well, don't hate the player. Hate the game. [Laughs]
Ann: For real though. For real.
Aminatou: No, it's true. I just think that, you know, it's like now she has a kid. She's going to be worried about her own legacy. She's going to do something about it. I'm hopeful. I've always been Team Chelsea.
Ann: Nothing like legacy fears to get us some really good interviews.
Aminatou: That is correct.
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Ann: Usually a little older than Chelsea though I feel like.
Aminatou: Ugh, Chels, don't worry. This will happen. But yeah, email. Maybe if you're a public figure working for the government don't get a private email.
Ann: I was mostly sad -- I mean there was a lot of things that were greatly amusing to me but I was mostly sad about the search terms that revealed zero results.
Aminatou: [Laughs]
Ann: Like I basically searched Hillary's email as I would search my own for the things I find entertaining and relevant.
Aminatou: i.e.?
Ann: Snacks, drinks.
Aminatou: Classified.
Ann: Classified, right? Like yeah, that's basically all of the fun stuff was blocked out for security reasons. Is that what you're saying?
Aminatou: Yeah. I mostly search by people. I was highly amused by an email from Bono and his wife, like "Say hi to Hillary," but they don't really have access to her so they have to go through . . .
Ann: Oh yeah, it was forwarded.
Aminatou: They have to go through someone. [Laughs] And then Harvey Weinstein, same thing. Whenever there's a celebrity dump always do a Harvey Weinstein search. It never disappoints. But with this he was like "I have this new movie out, The King's Speech. I think Hillary would love it because she loves Shakespeare in Love."
Ann: Oh my god.
Aminatou: But this one's PG-13. Apparently Shakespeare in Love was too racy so it's good. But again another forwarded email. It's like this is perfect.
Ann: What did you think of her apology this week to her supporters?
Aminatou: So, you know, obviously I get the emails. And when it came you have this two-second pang of like "Oh, this is personally addressed to me, so check line my email." And they're like no, this is campaign email. I thought it was contrite, you know? And I get she has to do it because people won't stop talking bout it. But again people just want to know why and they still have not addressed the why and I think it won't go away for that.
Ann: Yeah.
(7:45)
Aminatou: Like we're going to be in November of next year still talking about the email.
Ann: Like she can't just say "I was really worried about someone FOIAing my email and finding something to make a scandal out of so I created a scandal myself." Like that's not something you can really send your supporters.
Aminatou: [Laughs] Great. That's funny.
Ann: I was very disappointed that 1) she did not send it from hrod17 and 2) that she did not type it on her Blackberry with the authentic language that appears throughout the actual emails like referring to her husband as WJC and asking . . .
Aminatou: [Laughs]
Ann: Like it would've been awesome if she was like "Sorry about this. P.S., can anyone help me with the fax machine?"
Aminatou: Ugh, yeah, no. The fax machine incident, it's still the best.
Ann: It stings. It stings.
Aminatou: It was like hang up. Hang up. [Laughs]
Ann: But to be fair I'm sort of like I do not know how to use a fax machine. It was not really a part of my office life.
Aminatou: I'm such a pro at the fax, it's like scary.
Ann: Upside down and backwards, right?
Aminatou: Scary hours over here. Ugh, so good. Okay, well good luck to our girl Hills. We'll probably be talking about the email a year from now.
Ann: Oh my god, it's so true. Hillary's eighth apology in six months, we'll be covering it.
Aminatou: Well, you know, they release like a batch every week until the end of the year so we're going to be here all year, ladies and gentlemen.
Ann: I'll be here, Ctrl+F snack, for the next six months.
Aminatou: [Laughs] It's going to be perfect, and I'm going to be like Harvey Weinstein Ctrl+F the whole time. It's going to be great.
Ann: Yes, we have our missions. I think that everybody who listens to this podcast should pick one important search term and commit to searching every time a new batch is released.
Aminatou: Good Wife updates.
Ann: Yeah, exactly.
Aminatou: Can't you just see her and Huma going home after work and turning on Good Wife and just sigh-dying their respective husbands? Just being "Ugh, this is loosely based on you assholes."
Ann: I mean maybe it's too real. I know Hillary has declared in email that she wants to watch it but I don't want to see a show about a journalist with bad posture typing at a laptop.
Aminatou: [Laughs]
Ann: I don't know, like whatever my life is.
(9:54)
Aminatou: Hill's TV watching is -- we're basically the same person. She watches a lot of HGTV, Love It or List It, and Real Housewives of New York, Good Wife, and Parks and Rec.
Ann: I'm happy she's watching Parks and Rec definitely.
Aminatou: [Laughs] She's doing it for on-the-job training.
Ann: In the weird way where I'm like if Leslie Knope were a real person she would just be so happy that Hillary Clinton was watching her in the weird fantasy land that that show creates. I mean I guess that's true of The Good Wife as well.
Aminatou: Ugh, so good.
Ann: Ugh.
[Music]
Aminatou: What's our next agenda?
Ann: We have had some requests. I know we talked a lot about Taylor Swift last time but we have had some requests to discuss her latest video which maybe briefly we can talk about why it's the worst.
Aminatou: First of all I want to say one thing: shout-out to all the Swifties who listen to this podcast because it's been a trying year for us. [Laughs] It really has. You know? And people just want to drag our name through the mud and we're not going to fall for it. But here's the thing . . .
Ann: People like Taylor who make bad choices?
Aminatou: Ugh, here's the thing: this video was garbage and I can say that 1) it was not my favorite song so this is a really easy opinion for me to have. If this had been the video for, I don't know, Style, I would be devastated. Here are the rules of the game: if you make your video in "Africa" you have to actually tell us where. If you make your video in "Africa" you have to have African people in it. Also it's very 101 but out-of-Africa fantasy vibes is actually racist. Like that's not up for discussion. No contest.
(11:50)
Ann: Yeah, it's not like you can say I just wanted to pick up on the kind of glamorous Hollywood version of colonial Africa and then ignore everything else in the year 2015. That does not fly.
Aminatou: Yeah, the only people who can go in that time machine and be happy and feel romantic are white people, therefore problematic.
Ann: It's true, although did you see the statement from the director and other people who made the video saying "Hey, we're not all white?"
Aminatou: I know, but guess what? You can still be racist if you're not a white person. Hello. And then don't justify this choice. It's like 2015. If you're talking about 1950s Africa it was miserable for African people.
Ann: Right.
Aminatou: Because white people were ruling over them. It's that simple.
Ann: No amount of donations to the African Wildlife Fund or wherever they donated the proceeds to . . .
Aminatou: I know, Cecil the Lion tribute video. So real.
Ann: No amount of Cecil the Lion tributes can make up for this.
Aminatou: I just honestly can't believe this is even up for debate. And also, you know, it's like fine. Your artists will disappoint you. People will make shitty choices. I'm not going to indict Taylor's entire body of work based on this one thing. But I'm going to be honest, this thing was a dumb, shitty thing.
Ann: Right. And the other thing too is that for all . . . all of this stuff that they said they're trying to do is totally achievable. You could've made a video set in Africa that was glamorous that featured African people. You could have made . . .
Aminatou: See Solange.
Ann: Exactly.
Aminatou: See Janet Jackson plus Q-Tip.
Ann: Excellent examples. You can also have your abstract beautiful gown in the desert video without saying "Hey, we're in Africa and look how African colonial we are." See Shania Twain in leopard print caftan with a hood strolling across the desert like a queen.
Aminatou: Ugh, unreal.
(13:50)
Ann: You could have that option. Just don't do the "We are clearly in Africa colonizing some shit" without acknowledging that that's what you're doing.
Aminatou: Exactly. So Swifties, check your priv. This is not okay.
Ann: Hoping the next video is better. I want Taylor to succeed.
Aminatou: Listen, her videos are the jam. This is, you know, again, unforced error. [Laughs] I've been watching a lot of tennis so I want to talk about everything in tennis terms.
Ann: Oh my god.
Aminatou: Apologies.
Ann: Yeah, tennis is a much happier story this week.
Aminatou: Well tennis is our shine theory story of the week. Venus and Serena, my heart. Man, watching that game was so hard for me because I was rooting for both of them. You know, rooting for Serena to make history but also rooting for Venus because she's, ugh, so beautiful and such a wonderful player. And my dream came true. I wanted Serena to win but I wanted Venus to give her the business and that's exactly what happened. It was a hard game but well-fought.
Ann: I watched this the way I watch all important events which was recapped the next day.
Aminatou: Ann, I can't even understand what you said. You watch sports recaps?
Ann: You know this is how I operate. Oh my god. If it's the Williams sisters, yes.
Aminatou: Wow.
Ann: Relevant to my life.
Aminatou: I learn something new every day about you. Never stop learning. Tell me.
Ann: Listen, in real-time I'm not watching a sporting event. I'm probably not watching any kind of award show. But I will be familiar with all the highlights worth GIFing/Vineing and the hug really touched me.
Aminatou: The hug was -- I mean I was in tears. She like, for those of you who didn't watch, Venus hugged Serena really tight and told her "I am really happy for you." Which I don't know, if I was competing against my sister in tennis I'd whoop her ass every day of the week. [Laughs]
Ann: I mean full disclosure we are both not charitable big sisters. [Laughs]
(15:52)
Aminatou: I know. Also this is the other thing about this story, right? Is that for the first time in my life I'm rooting for the little. This is new. This is new for me. I feel conflicted but also, you know, go where the glory is.
Ann: Well I feel like it was a good moment for big sisters too. Like you didn't really have to choose because it was incredible for everyone.
Aminatou: Exactly. It was a beautiful game. Everybody won. The Williams parents, I don't know how they do it, just watching your kids compete. I would be a wreck. But yeah, it was great.
Ann: Their dad is just like "Yes, I did it right. This is what I set out to do and I did it." It has to feel great even if it's . . .
Aminatou: Shout out, Richard.
Ann: Yeah, even if it's conflicting.
Aminatou: So yes, yay big sisters, yay little sisters.
Ann: [Laughs] Yay Williams sisters.
Aminatou: Unless you're . . . [Laughs]
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(18:05)
Aminatou: I'm so petty, I can't believe I . . .
Ann: I have an equally uplifting This Week in Menstruation. This is going to be our cheeriest episode of all time.
Aminatou: I love it.
Ann: A few weeks ago NPR did a round-up of various cultures that are way chiller about menstruation than ours. There's some stuff in here, like a lot of "Here's a global overview summarizing cultural values" that is to be questioned. But also some kind of incredible quotes. Do you want to take a quick tour of global menstrual culture with me?
Aminatou: Ugh, Ann, I thought you'd never ask. Tell me. Tell me about periods around the world.
Ann: I have not Google-verified any of this. I'm only reading from this one article. However it tells me that the Rungus women from Borneo are pretty blas about their periods, quote "they don't say it's pure. They don't say it's polluting. It's just bodily fluid that needs to be evacuated and they don't make a big deal of it."
Aminatou: Ugh, love.
Ann: Which that's really kind of where I want to go. I'm all for people who are red tinty like moon worshiping, but really I feel like these women in Borneo are living the kind of menstrual culture that I would like. It's just a thing that happens. The Ulithi women of the South Pacific, they have that hut thing going on where quote "It's kind of a party atmosphere."
Aminatou: [Laughs]
Ann: And in Ghana young girls sit under beautiful ceremonial umbrellas when they begin menstruating. Quote "The family would give her gifts and pay her homage. She is celebrated like a queen." Sounds kind of . . .
Aminatou: So embarrassing. I don't think I could handle that. [Laughs]
Ann: I mean could you imagine? I don't know. Maybe if you'd seen older cousins or whatever go through it it wouldn't be . . . it would just be normal. Maybe it's only embarrassing to us.
(19:52)
Aminatou: I don't know. I remember when I first got my period. I guess my dad just didn't know about it for like a year or two years or something.
Ann: [Laughs]
Aminatou: And then one week I got my period and my mom was sick and she was in the hospital. She had like an allergic reaction to some -- I don't know, something weird. So I'd sneak into the hospital. I'd whisper to her. I'm like 9-1-1, emergency.
Ann: Aww.
Aminatou: You can't be in the hospital. I need a pad. That lady did me so wrong. She casually announces to my dad "Yo, can you hook Amina up with some menstrual pads?" [Laughs] And I don't know, it's been over 15 years. I still want to die.
Ann: I guess I didn't really . . . my mom was just like "Here are some pads." It was pretty unceremonial. But I do have a very early menstruation memory of going to church. It was like my second or third period. I was very new to menstruating. And my periods when I was young were really, really, really bad. Probably not as bad as many women I know today but in the scope of my life the worst. And I remember kneeling in church and feeling lightheaded because my cramps were so bad.
Aminatou: Oh no.
Ann: Like seriously about to fall over and telling my mom that I had to go to the bathroom and her thinking that I was trying to get out of church. Which was a fair assumption.
Aminatou: Accurate. Accurate.
Ann: Which was a fair assumption as I was deep in anti-Catholic rebellion by that point. But yeah, it was miserable. I just remember sweating profusely and bleeding everywhere in church.
Aminatou: I just remember my dad sneaking me money like he was giving me a bribe with a weird handshake. Slipping money.
Ann: Just like take care of this yourself.
Aminatou: Like please, I don't want to know. Take care of it. [Laughs] And I still think about it.
Ann: Oh man.
Aminatou: Like I can't handle it. Yeah, no. So all of this to say that the under-the-tent party atmosphere queen thing, not for me.
Ann: I'm just saying don't knock it until you try it.
(22:00)
Aminatou: [Laughs] Yeah, no.
Ann: Like when have you ever hated . . .
Aminatou: Baby Amina is still traumatized.
Ann: I mean when have you hated being treated like a queen, practically speaking?
Aminatou: I mean almost always.
Ann: You told me you enjoyed a private jet.
Aminatou: Yes, in the privacy of the jet. [Laughs]
Ann: [Laughs] I menstruate in the privacy of my own jet.
Aminatou: Thank you. Don't confuse my love of luxurious things for something else.
Ann: I don't know.
Aminatou: Also I just want to point out that you did not mention that this NPR blog is called Goats and Soda.
Ann: Oh yeah, it's been around a while.
Aminatou: Yeah, man, not spending enough time on npr.com. Or sorry, dot org. Great.
Ann: I mean normally hanging out over at Code Switch but I do dabble in Goats and Soda from time to time.
Aminatou: Yo, shout out to our friends at Code Switch. So good.
Ann: Yep.
[Music]
Ann: What else?
Aminatou: We received a letter that is very near and dear to me so I'm going to read it.
Ann: Please do.
Aminatou: "Hey ladies. Okay, so I get this weird sensation in my vagina any time somebody touches my belly button."
Ann: [Laughs]
Aminatou: "I've always thought all girls must feel this until I told my boyfriend about it. He thinks this is both hysterical and I'm completely alone on this issue. Tell me I'm not. Thanks so much, Lex Hade." Lex Hade is a wonderful artist and you should check out her paintings. They're unreal. Lex, I don't want to tell you how to live your life but your boyfriend has got to go. He is not a doctor.
(24:08)
Ann: Who is this body-shaming boyfriend who's like "Uh, no. No."
Aminatou: I don't think that he's body-shaming as much as he's not understanding. [Laughs] When I saw this email in my inbox, Ann, I legitimately screamed because I thought that for a moment this woman and I were the only two people that felt this. And then after some reassuring Googling, yes, we are not alone. This is completely normal.
Ann: I mean when you told me about this I Googled sexy bellybutton feeling and received many results so clearly her boyfriend cannot even Google is what I'm saying.
Aminatou: [Laughs] Well, listen, we're not all dating doctors. Understand this. But yeah, don't ever bring a medical issue to him ever again. This is ludicrous.
Ann: But wait, so this happens to you?
Aminatou: But yeah, I was shocked that most people didn't feel this. This happens to me. Not like a casual graze of the bellybutton, but you know . . .
Ann: Like a finger in there?
Aminatou: Yes. [Laughs] It sounds so gross now that I think about it. But yeah, you know . . .
Ann: I feel like, you know, it's one of those things where in the right moment if you're all the way in there because the muscle systems are all . . . once you get below the bellybutton I feel like it all connects to the clit in some way.
Aminatou: In some way, you know? I mean this to me has nothing to do with sexy time. It's just that I'm very diligent about bellybutton cleaning. [Laughs] And, you know, just various bellybutton activities. But it's a thing that I've noticed since I was super young.
Ann: I mean . . .
Aminatou: This is a no-go zone when you're in public.
(25:45)
Ann: I think this is awesome. I'm kind of jealous that I don't experience this outside the context of a sexy moment. I can't just stick my finger in my bellybutton right now and get a nice tickle. I'm sad.
Aminatou: [Laughs] Get a nice tickle is right. Here, what does the Internet say about this?
Ann: Oh my god, careful. Careful with the search terms you use.
Aminatou: "Your bellybutton is one of your erogenous zones so when you do that you're basically kind of tickling it which triggers a kind of weird feeling everywhere and in some cases down there."
Ann: Is this -- WebMD does not say down there. [Laughs]
Aminatou: "Not everyone does it." No, this is not WebMD. This is like TumblrMD. Are you kidding me?
Ann: [Laughs]
Aminatou: But here's the actual smart person. She's like "Although most diagrams of the female sexual organs exclude this detail there is tissue connecting the bellybutton and reproductive organs left over from our days spent in the uterus." Who knows? It sounds plausible to me. "Because fetuses receive nutrients from/expel waste through the umbilical cord during development there's a tube that connects our bladder to our bellybutton which doesn't completely disappear after birth." Yeah, Ann, this is called the T-spot.
Ann: What?
Aminatou: The spot between the bladder wall and the vagina.
Ann: Incredible. Wait, so does that mean . . . does that mean it's only because of proximity to the vagina? Or are there some men who get this sensation too?
Aminatou: I don't know. This is only talking about women.
Ann: Amazing. Thank you, Lex.
Aminatou: If you're a man who listens to this podcast who has a T-spot holler at us.
Ann: Careful. We might get some serious email. [Laughs]
Aminatou: I want to know. I always assumed this was everybody. I was like this is why people don't play with their bellybuttons. It's too sexy.
Ann: Whoa. I guess I just thought people didn't play with their belly buttons because most of them are innies.
Aminatou: [Laughs]
Ann: Like if there's a body part that hangs off people play with that all the time. But more inward-facing stuff . . .
Aminatou: Oh, interesting.
Ann: That's not a drawn-out theory and in fact I wouldn't even have called it a theory until I just heard it come out of my mouth so . . .
(27:55)
Aminatou: The Ann Friedman theory of bellybuttons. Sold.
Ann: And which dangling body parts we tend to play with.
Aminatou: Ugh. Anyway, this -- learned something new today. Amazing.
Ann: Yeah. Great.
Aminatou: Okay. Well I think that's it for us. We have a little bit of news.
Ann: Oh my god, yeah, and the news is both sad but ultimately happy I feel. Which is . . .
Aminatou: The band is breaking up. Just kidding! [Laughs]
Ann: No, don't even joke about that!
Aminatou: You know that's what people are thinking.
Ann: You're right, they are thinking about that. They're like mommy and mommy are fighting.
Aminatou: Yeah. But instead, no, the band is coming back bigger and better. So to all of our listeners we're going to be taking a little break for a couple of episodes probably through this month and October and we have a ton of really cool stuff that we're working on that we can't really tell you about right now but we will in due time.
Ann: Including tech upgrades so we don't sound like we're talking to you from the bottom of two different wells.
Aminatou: I know. Can't wait to never sit in my closet ever again for this podcast.
Ann: Right. I mean I don't know if we can eliminate the closet completely, but you know, we're going to try.
Aminatou: I'm coming out of the closet for the podcast. I'm over it. But yeah, so we'll be . . . just think about it like three or four episodes. Tell all your friends about us and we'll be back bigger and better.
Ann: Right. Just binge-listen to all of our old episodes if you want to be reminded why we're upgrading our game a little bit.
Aminatou: Exactly. And tweet at us. You can find us many places on the Internet. Great segue.
Ann: Excellent segue.
Aminatou: On iTunes where you can leave us a review if you feel like it, on our website callyourgirlfriend.com, on Twitter at @callyrgf. We'll be hanging out there all the time so let's talk.
Ann: Also email.
Aminatou: Oh yeah, and you can email us at callyrgf@gmail.com. I sound like a drunk.
Ann: I mean shout-out to Gina Delvac, the woman who makes this podcast run whose voice you don't always hear and that's it. We'll see you on the Internet.
Aminatou: Yeah, see you on the Internet.